Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press

So, I’ve kept my mouth shut, waiting to reserve judgment until I’ve had a chance to use the ‘Superbar’ in the Windows 7 beta build myself, and see if I agreed with Paul Thurrott and others in the Tech Press.  Thankfully, I am very happy to say they are absolutely wrong, and I’m going to show you why.  The sad thing is that the Press seems to use a template.  Once one member of the Press says something, they all seem to parrot the exact same complaints.  So, I am going to be referencing Paul Thurrott’s complaints as they seem to be the ones resonating and being repeated out there.

Let’s start with the whining about the ‘shortcut’ and ‘running app’ complaint.  In Windows 7, the taskbar has been simplified (in an excellent way) to take up less real estate and provide more information and functionality to the user in a simpler fashion.  So, what’s the complaint?  “I can’t tell the difference between a running app and a shortcut.”  ??? Ok, so let’s look at the taskbar.

superbarlong

In this screenshot I have 3 running applications, and two shortcuts.  Can you tell the difference?  Of course you can, and this is just a tiny screenshot.  But, let’s just say for the sake of argument that you couldn’t tell the difference between a running app and the shortcut……??? Who cares?  Seriously, think about this logically for a second.  If you want to launch an application from the task bar, what do you do?  You click it’s icon in the tray, right?  Well, what if you have an app that is minimized in the task bar and you want to restore it, what do you do?  You click it’s icon in the task bar.  So where is the problem here?  To quote Paul Thurrott from his infamous ‘easy vs. simple’ post;

“Those running apps and windows can be visible or hidden, and there are subtle changes to the taskbar buttons to note that. You can drag and drop these buttons into any order you want. Looking at my taskbar right now, I see these types of buttons in this order: Shortcut (not running), Shortcut (not running), Shortcut (running), Shortcut (not running), Shortcut (running), Shortcut (running), Shortcut (running), Shortcut (running), Shortcut (running). It’s a mess. It is simple, I guess. But it is not easy to use.”

So, Paul, I have to ask.  How is this not easy to use?  In fact, I would dare say this is about as ‘easy’ as it gets.  I decide I want my media player icon as the first icon in my task bar, I drag and drop it there.  That’s basic Windows 101.  Again, when I want to launch an app or restore a minimized app I do the exact same action as before, I click the icon.  It will also show me how many windows of that app I currently have open, as you can see below;

preview

You can see that I have 3 IE tabs open with the ‘layering’ that it adds.  Seems pretty obvious to me.  You will also notice that the active icon now shows the progress of a download I have going in IE with the green status moving left to right.  I absolutely love this particular feature, and Explorer does the same thing with file copies.  Awesome!

superbardownload

Again from Paul Thurrott’s article;

“But the Windows 7 taskbar isn’t just a mess because of this one thing. No, the Windows 7 taskbar is a mess because the way it works is not discoverable (i.e. it is simple but not easy). You can do awkward and undiscoverable things like click and drag upward on a button for an active window: This displays the Jump List, a key new feature of Windows 7. What the heck is that? Who would ever do that, other than by mistake? Is that really how we expose new functionality in Windows 7? Yes. Yes, it is. (You can also display a button Jump List by right-clicking, another unnatural action for taskbar buttons, though that one is arguably more easily learned because we do do that elsewhere in Windows.)”

Ok Paul, at this point you’re just reaching.  The normal, NATURAL way to bring up the ‘jump’ menus is to RIGHT CLICK THE ICON, which is the way that Windows has ALWAYS been.  If you want alternative menu options for something, you ‘right click’ it.  That’s how windows has ALWAYS been, and obviously will continue to be.  So, I honestly can’t see how you consider this an ‘un-natural’ action?  It’s pretty obvious you just wanted to have SOMETHING to complain about with Windows 7 and that you’ll skew things to make a point.  The ‘left click and drag upward’ action to bring up the ‘jump list’ is NOT, I repeat, NOT the default method they designed for bringing up the jump menus.  It’s the ‘right click’ option.  You know this Paul, but instead you push that to the bottom just so you can try to make your point.  The ‘left click and drag up’ is a NEW interface type for Windows 7 based on gestures.  Remember, Windows 7 is designed with ‘touch’ in mind, and when using a touch screen, dragging up a menu is a more natural and intuitive method than just holding your finger depressed over the icon for a period of time to simulate the ‘right click’ action as is the case in every Microsoft OS previous to 7.  So, using a new feature (designed for touch) to try and discredit the new interface when the standard interface rules still apply just smells of desperation to find something to complain about.

Paul’s next complaint I have not even seen happen.  “Another weirdness. When an application shortcut is “pinned” to the taskbar, it disappears from the Start Menu Most Recently Used (MRU) list.”  (This is the items on the left of the XP forward start menu.)  In Windows 7, Firefox doesn’t appear in the Start Menu because I’ve pinned it to the taskbar. So … how do I open a new Firefox window?……Well, I could use Firefox of course. But how do I do it from the shell? Here’s how: I have to somehow make the existing Firefox button’s Jump List appear and then choose “Mozilla Firefox” from the list. This is bad form for many, many reasons:”

Firefox would STILL be in your Start Menu.  Granted you would have to find it in the actual start menu listing and not in the recently used list, but it’s still in the start menu, and that’s not the only way you can do it.  Simply ‘right click’ the icon for the already running Firefox app, then click ‘Firefox’ from the jump menu.  Instant new instance of the app.  Again, a pretty simple, decades old interface interaction of Windows.  Again from Paul;

“It can and will change. Right now, Mozilla isn’t modifying the Firefox Jump List, so this app gets the default list. But Mozilla will change it in the future. And then the way to open a new window will be different for every application. So much for muscle memory. And I can prove it: In Firefox today, the “Mozilla Firefox” choice is the bottom one on the list. But in IE 8, where Microsoft has in fact modified the jump list, the “Internet Explorer” link, which opens a new window is—guess where … go ahead, guess—that’s right, it’s the top item in the list. Way to go, Microsoft. There’s nothing like inconsistency.”

So, first off, we can never add a new feature to an OS because older applications won’t be able to take advantage of it.  That’s a great argument.  Second, Paul is incorrect.  The application launch option is always at the top of the ‘basic’ menu in a jump list.  In Firefox, they don’t have any additional options for their jump menu so the launch application option is at the very top of the jump menu.  In IE, they have additional options so there is a bar separating the basic menu options from the advanced (or app added) options.  The consistency is still there, the launch application option is still at the top of the basic menu.  See the screenshot below;

win7jumplist1

In summary I am seeing a disturbing trend in the press today.  They seem to feel the need to ‘create’ news, create a ‘need’ for themselves.  Windows 7 and the ‘Superbar’ are fantastic, huge advances in the Windows UI and should be applauded.  Yes, there is change, and anytime there is ANY type of change you will have some users who don’t like it.  Those in the Press look for these opportunities to blow the possible ‘issues’ with these advances way out of proportion just so they can seem relevant and needed by the readers.  My concern is that, unfortunately, pre-conceived notions about an OS will really alter a user’s experience with an OS.  This is the same thing that happened to Vista.  Long before Vista’s launch or general use, the Tech Press put this perception in the general users mind how horrible of an OS it was.  This is really pointed out by the ‘Mojave’ experiment which showed how preconceived notions prevents users from even giving the OS a shot.  What’s even more telling is how the press attacked this experiment because it truly showed how manipulative the press is.

All I can say is Microsoft, you have a fantastic advancement here, don’t kill your vision because of a couple of complainers.  To everyone else, use Windows 7 for yourselves and be your OWN judge.  Don’t let the Press’s preconceived notions prevent you from truly enjoying a great new UI advancement.

So, what do you think?  Once everyone get’s their hands on Windows 7 on Friday, please come back and post your thoughts about the ‘Superbar.’


Posted Jan 08 2009, 10:19 AM by Matt Freestone

Follow Me on Twitter

Did you enjoy this article? If yes, then subscribe to our RSS 2.0 feed or

Comments

Matt Sharpe wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-08-2009 11:04 AM

Hey Matt,

I am in agreement with you on this subject. I really like the "Superbar" and find it to be easy and pleasant to use.

Matt Sharpe,

UK

Jaxim wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-08-2009 11:31 AM

I am liking what I am seeing about the new taskbar but I have to agree with "The Press" on the one point that it's not VERY obvious which taskbar applications are open and which ones are still just shortcuts.

Although, I can tell if I look closely, I think Microsoft should make the visual differences less subtle and this argument point would be void.

Matt Freestone wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-08-2009 11:44 AM

Hi Matt and Jaxim, thanks for the comments.  I agree with you Jaxim that it is a subtle different, but asthetically I personally like it.  Now, you might be correct, perhaps it should be more pronounced so the general user can notice the difference easier but I have to ask.  Why does it matter?  You interact with the shortcut the same way you will with the running app by clicking it.  Honestly Jaxim I've been wracking my brain trying to figure out WHY this matters to people?  Can you please explain to me why it matters that you can tell the difference?  Then I might be able to sleep tonight :-)

Sam Brimble wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-08-2009 12:23 PM

Hi Matt,

I just wanted to say this is a great article! Paul (and others) seem to think they are on the top of some tech press hierarchy and getting too big headed. They know that Microsoft take note of what they write so ramble on about rubbish to suite their own personal goals. Some examples:

If I were somehow able to compile all of my email from the past year and filter it down so that I could see the questions I'm most often asked in order of frequency, I am absolutely positive that the number one query would be: "Where and when can I download the Windows 7 Beta?" I have actually known the answer to that question for some time, but I'm happy today to finally be able to state so publicly. It's happening this week.

--- Why did he have to say that "he actually known the answer"?

Moving on, Brandon Le Blac recently used his blog to search for a good ISP, low and behold, some director of the company commented on his post saying that he should consider going to their company.... I know for a fact that if I were him, I would get a little big headed. These people just need to understand that what they write shouldn't lead people to believe the viewpoint of the writer, they should write to encourage thought, excitement and inspiration. (OK, third point was taking it a little too far! :))

Joop wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-08-2009 1:30 PM

The first screenshot you used, to show the difference between shotcuts and running programs could be much improved. The difference is more clear when you see more off the taskbar at the right hand side of shortcut. By cutting of the screenshot at that point it is becomes less clear than it actually is in use.

Also I agree that Paul's article was bullshit. He just wanted to have something to whine about. He knows he often writes bullshit, which is probably the reason why he doesn't enable comments on his "web 1.0" website... He's just full off himself. I've never seen a site where the words "I", "Me", or "My" are used so much. He can't stop writing about what software he uses and how he works, and he thinks everyone should do the same. Finally, who would use pics of his own head as a rating system in reviews, instead of something like stars of bullets? Obviously a megalomaniac...

I've been hoping for some time now that someone would launch anti-paul-thurott.com, like there was for Steve Gibson a couple of years ago. :) That, or that Paul would enable comments on his site.

Jaxim wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-08-2009 2:00 PM

Matt:

To answer your question as to why it matters to know if taskbar application is open or not -- you may have many icons in your taskbar - applications that you often use. One day you may just use Firefox and Word and another day you may have the entire Adobe CS suite open. When opening an application, you are right that it doesn't matter if you can't tell what is opened. However, if you attempt to hover over an icon and expect a flyover of preview thumbnails but you don't see the thumbnails because the application is opened or was prematurally closed, then it is a bit frustrating for the user for a half second.  It's a small frustration but it can be totally avoided if Microsoft made opened applications more apparent. It would be even better if Microsoft allowed you to tweak the opened application state for users like you who may wish to make the states more subtle. I've worked with Stardock's ObjectDock which is similar in concept (Windows7 taskbar seems to be better) and it has been my experience that it's nice to know what applications are open. With Stardock's ObjectDock, this is indicated by an obvious triangle over the opened application's icon. I'm not suggesting that Microsoft use triagles, but I think if they make the opened application icon more contrasty somehow, it would eliminate critics like the "The Press".

Just my opinion.

DvTonder wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-08-2009 2:20 PM

I LOVE the 'Superbar' and have been quite frustrated with Paul's rantings against it.  I 100% agree with all your points above.  

Please MS, don't change it!

Matt Freestone wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-08-2009 2:22 PM

Hi Sam, thanks for the comment.  I'm afraid you're right, much of the Tech Press has elevated themselves and it's not good for the industry.  I'm hoping that we can all blog and get our points of view out there and undo some of the damage they are doing.

Hi Joop, you're right.  My first screenshot image sucks :-)  No argument here, and I really should take a better image and replace that.  First chance I get I'll do that.  As for your comments I think you're pretty much dead on.  Using your own face as the rating icon is really over the top.  In fact I busted up laughing when I read that part because it's soooo true :-)

Hi Jaxim, thanks for the reply.  I see where you're going with this, and there actually is a work around for what you would like in the Windows 7 'superbar.'  If you go to the options you can change it so that running apps are a 'bar' like in Vista rather than the icon.  I won't repeat how to here simply because I want people to try the default method first and give it a real try before reverting.  Honestly the other way wastes a lot of screen space.  That said I do see your minor frustration but for me at least that's so insignificant that I'd much rather stick with this method and have more room, but that's just me.  I really hope everyone will try it as it is for at least a week and see if they really want to go back or not.

Earl Kurtz wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-08-2009 3:24 PM

I've had "superbars" since windows XP.  They were called dockable toolbars.  Windows 7 has removed this capability and I'd much rather have those back than this MS Superbar which isn't halfway as good.

Matt Freestone wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-08-2009 3:34 PM

Hi Joop, per your very accurate request, I've updated the post with a better initial screen shot.

Joop wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-08-2009 4:52 PM

Yes, this is better. (Though the text below it is now outdated. ;)

Anyways, what I forgot to say earlier: nice article Matt! I like the ‘Superbar’ and have no problem seeing which programs are running and which are not. I do think that the SuperBar is not exactly `SuperClear’ in this aspect, but it's clear enough and looks good. I like minimalistic GUI design that doesn't distract you.

Kirb wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-08-2009 4:56 PM

Hi Matt,

Its refreshing to see this post. I had read Paul's article before using Windows 7 so I already had this preconceived notion that it must be terrible. Now that I'm using it, I like it. Some old habits die hard, and so it takes me just a bit to get used having only one icon for each program, but I must say I'm getting used to it and I like it. Go Matt!

Christopher Hawkins wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-08-2009 7:01 PM

I can't decide whether I like the Superbar or not. Overall, I suppose, it's better, but some parts of it's implementation are not.

For example, I have a running download in Internet Explorer. I want a new instance of IE to browse to a web page, so I click the Internet Explorer button. Nothing happens (except the download window being focused, which I don't notice largely because it's on my second monitor).

This really bugs me, but aside from that it's an advancement. What's I'd really like to see is the ability to dock applications to either end of the superbar, because that's where I'm used to my "always running" applications, such as Live Messenger and Media Player, being.

Andrew wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-08-2009 9:00 PM

Thank you for calling Thurrott's bullshit for what it is.

Jaxim wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-08-2009 9:12 PM

Matt, I agree that the icon-only taskbar is a better use of real estate. I'd rather Microsoft change it so the opened applications are more obviously opened by highlighting the cooresponding taskbar icon with a more saturated and/or opposite color color.

For example, in the screenshots of the taskbar you have in this post above, the task bar is mostly black. If the icon corresponding to the opened application was surronded by a very white/light square, then it would be more obvious that the application was opened. Or if the icon square was surrunded by a very white/light border as opposed to the subtle glass

border that is currently surrunding the icon.

Basically this should be a non issue. It wouldn't take too much effort for the Microsoft designers to make some slight changes to make most happy regarding this one little subject. ANd Microsoft needs to persuade the members of the press after Vista was so poorly handled (even though I personally prefer the newer OS).

Josh wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-08-2009 10:53 PM

It's worth noting that you can change the way the superbar displays icons in the options... Paul Thurrot mentions this himself in a slightly later article. You can change it so open applications display the window title on the bar, like Vista and previous Windows did, and only closed applications show just the icon.

I find this much more productive as having several windows open for one application compressed into one little icon makes switching between them a pain.

Love the superbar though and agree with your comments about the Tech press 'making' a problem out of nothing.

Joe Gough wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-09-2009 2:28 AM

Matt - I could not agree more. Paul has yet again demonstrated that he just doesn't think things through before posting. I'm someone that keeps a lot of applications open and generally have my taskbar on triple height, all three lines are normally full within about an hour of getting to work...

It took me all of about an hour to become completely familiar with the Superbar and now when I use the old taskbar I can't help regarding it with a certain level of contempt.

The only thing that does bother me is how it handles IE with the Tabs vs Application, but hey thats a minor annoyance and there is still plenty of time to fix that :)

craig wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-09-2009 6:45 AM

I thing the current implementation is good. With the comments I am seeing it would be wise of Microsoft to allow for some option to customise this task bar and even though I like it as is maybe somehow make open windows more clear (without showing title) with the option of changing to this.

Matt Freestone wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-09-2009 9:33 AM

Hi Christopher, thanks for the comments.  First, you're right, this is a slight change from before.  To open a completely new instance of IE, right click the icon (which will bring up the 'jump menu') and then click 'internet explorer', the icon at the top of the bottom menu.  That will launch a new instance.  Granted, it's slower than the original method, but we get a lot of increased (and more often used) functionality in a simpler fashion than the original design.  That will have a slight learning curve but once you're used to it, it won't bother you anymore.

As for icon arrangement, you can.  Just drag and drop the icon anywhere you want and it will stick in order.  (So you can't necissarily right justify an icon all the way to the right edge, but you can place it at the very end of the list and it will stay.)

Hope that helps.

Matt Freestone wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-09-2009 9:43 AM

Again, I just wanted to thank everyone for your comments here.  We all know that, unfortunately, Microsoft does watch and sometimes listen to those in the Tech Press including Thurrott.  I am hoping that Microsoft will see your comments and realise that their general consumer really likes the new interface and listen to us, not the self proclaimed 'elites.'

So thanks everyone, keep the comments coming!

Oliver wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-10-2009 10:49 AM

I'm already loving the superbar, Its a very cool and funtional future,this should make it to the final realese, just need to wait until mozilla ads jumplist funtionality to firefox.

And for open new windows of an app just click the middle mouse button on the icon and a new window of the app pops up

Jandler wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-13-2009 8:17 AM

Maybe they can make the running apps animated a bit. Instead of slightly higher

Matt Freestone wrote re: Windows 7 – Defending the ‘Superbar’ from the Tech Press
on 01-14-2009 9:34 AM

For those of you who still really don't like the new taskbar, see my post about the ultimate windows 7 feature list, in there he tells you how to change things how you would like them.

Add a Comment

(required)  
(optional)
(required)  
Remember Me?
Windows is a registered trademark of Microsoft Corporation.
Powered by Community Server (Non-Commercial Edition), by Telligent Systems Themed By nb development