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Windows Vista SP1 Initial Thoughts

In my opinion, it's a huge step backwards.  Here are some issues I have had with/since installing SP1:

  • It took two hours to install
  • Most programs run are running slower than before the service pack, and I frequently get the (Not Responding) in the title bar of many applications now
  • Plugging in an iPhone to a USB port disables my USB mouse and keyboard, which is extremely annoying
  • The acctinfo.dll plugin from the Server 2003 resource kit for AD Users and Computers no longer works
  • With the processor usage only at 2-5%, it sometimes takes 15-20 seconds for the All Programs, Control Panel, or Administrative Tools menus to expand
  • I see the same behavior right-clicking on shared network files
  • After the install, I had to reinstall Windows Live Messenger, but I am using a beta version, so that won't affect most people
  • Despite the lengthy explanations on why file copy will be so much better in SP1, I'm not seeing it. In fact, I see a huge decline in network performance. There are a few UNC shares that I connect to frequently that have 300 or more subdirectories. Opening these became so slow, I decided to time it. Before SP1, opening the share and being able to see all the subdirectories used to take about 5-10 seconds. After installing SP1, it now takes about 58 seconds.
  • Initial boot and program loads are unbearably slow, so I decided to time this too. From a cold boot, it took 2:30 to get to a login screen. Discounting the two seconds or so it took to type in my username and password, it was then another 1:30 before I saw my desktop. Immediately upon seeing the desktop, I ran Outlook. It took another 3:45 until my cached emails were visible. Another 1:15 after that, my sidebar showed up, and about :30 after that, my new emails showed up. And that was just to open Outlook. I have eight programs I always start up after login that I use to do the bulk of my daily work. From a cold boot until they were all open and usable was just over 17 minutes. That is just ridiculous.
  • Vista still corrupts files I save to network shares, such as the Documents, Pictures, Favorites, and Desktop folders that I have mapped to a server. It's very frustrating to click on a favorite in IE, only to discover that Vista has corrupted it, and it no longer opens, and you have to hunt down the URL again. Which isn't nearly as frustrating as importing pictures from a camera to your PC only to discovery that Vista has corrupted them. Especially if you've opted for the delete pictures after importing option.
  • Turn Windows features on or off - Has anyone needed to enable Telnet or some other feature using this app? It could easily be called Turn Windows features on or off then get in your car and head to the nearest Starbucks for awhile.

I have been running Vista since it went gold, and on my home machine, where I'm only running one or two apps at a time, it's quite usable and interfaces well with my Xbox 360. However, in an Enterprise setting, it's just not getting the job done for me. I really wanted it to, but it just isn't. And SP1 has made things even worse. Managing network shares and the files in them is a slow, painful nightmare. Not to mention the fact that when I need to do something as mundane as run Terminal Services Administrator or manage a cluster, I still have to go to an XP machine, or a 2003 server. Vista will be able to manage Windows Server 2008 much better, but it will be years until all the servers here, or anywhere else for that matter, have been upgraded, and frankly I just can't wait that long.

Perhaps not everyone will experience the problems I'm having, but I'm guessing a good many will. Many other admins I know have told me their companies have the same "no Vista" policy that mine has (well, except for me, I'm "testing" it), and frankly, I fully agree, it just wasn't ready to ship and still isn't over a year later. Hell, even Bill Gates hints at it, without really saying it. Maybe things will get better with SP2, but I'm not holding my breath at this point.

Now I just have to decide whether to just uninstall SP1, or bite the bullet, wipe my machine, and reinstall XP.

UPDATE: I've decided to bite the bullet and reinstall. But not XP, I'm going to try a reinstall of Vista with SP1 integrated and see how that goes. When I'm done, I'll post up the results.

Only published comments... Feb 22 2008, 11:16 AM by Aubrey
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Tyler said:

SP1 on my laptop has actually made my laptop usable.  Just about everything is much faster.  TS manager works for me, previously it did not.  The only thing that has seemed to be slower is setting NTFS permissions on a remote machine.

IE 7 has only stopped responding once in the past week.  Prior to SP1 IE 7 would crash 2-3 times a day.

February 22, 2008 10:51 AM
 

Nick said:

SP1 has made video playback really murkey now for me. MCE judderes when playing live TV in window'd mode.  The colors are fadded.

Sometimes when I hibinate  my laptop it crashes windows and restarts my laptop.  Drained the battery when it did that on the train. Never had that problem with RTM

But it has made my laptop slightly faster.

February 22, 2008 10:57 AM
 

Aubrey said:

Interesting on the TS manager, mine still doesn't work. Maybe I'll try reinstalling the adminpak and see if that makes a difference.

February 22, 2008 11:02 AM
 

Jaxim said:

"Now I just have to decide whether to just uninstall SP1, or bite the bullet, wipe my machine, and reinstall XP."

If you didn't have any problems with Vista to begin with, then why revert back all the way back to XP? I have no problems with Vista, but I know with any Windows Updates, I'm not going to be a pioneer and be surprised when I find arrows sticking out from my back.

February 22, 2008 11:59 AM
 

Frank -Snuffy said:

I have enjoyed SP1.  from cold start to full operation, Internet, AV, 2 monitor programs,  52 services, 2m 51s, which is faster than Vista at 3m 27s.

February 22, 2008 5:13 PM
 

Sripraneeth said:

To be frank. I have installed SP1 faced almost all problems mentioned above and uninstalled it. now i am happy with just Vista. SP1 made my system unstable.

February 22, 2008 9:45 PM
 

Pinchy said:

I've been running the SP1 update for two days now, and have had nothing but a smile on my face.  For me, all the network problems that we both shared in Vista RTM have all disappeared.  I have a folder on a network share that contains 503 subfolders, and a total of about 6000 files and folders below that.  Before SP1 there were times I could wait for 10-15 seconds to see the full folder listing - now it's immediate.  Copying to and from a network folder is considerably faster too - although I notice that the biggest enhancement is in the fact it doesn't sit there for 30 seconds deciding how long it's going to take to transfer the file!  

I'd be curious to see you do a Vista SP1  installation from scratch (ie. wipe and reload, but using a SP1 integrated source like the Technet ones available now).  I suspect you'd likely find something in your installation that is causing the problem, and not SP1 itself.

I don't think my startup time has changed much, not enough to be noticable anyway.  But, I did notice that DreamScene now works correctly when rebooting and having a dual-monitor setup.  So there's another plus - I finally get my waterfalls desktop that everyone asks how I did that.... LOL

God only knows how much faster my computer became when I ditched my iPhone and all it's iTunes crap and processes.... <hint hint LOL>  

Have you tried using the resouce monitor or any other utilities to see what is actually sucking up all the time when you are waiting?  There might be a hint there as to what is causing it - maybe a driver or background process isn't playing nice anymore in SP1.

Good luck and happy computing!

February 22, 2008 10:37 PM
 

Jason Cox said:

I've had no real problems with SP1. My Vista install on my desktop is the copy us BT's got on Connect when it RTM'd and I've had no issues with that machine. My first laptop has an install thats about a year old, again, no issues. My new laptop installed SP1 in about 20 minutes (I'm not joking), again, no problems.

The only machine I had a problem with is my work desktop because Intel NIC drivers weren't SP1 compatible.

The only app crashes I've had any all of the machines is IE and that can be traced back to Flash issues.

February 23, 2008 5:36 PM
 

sscott said:

SP1 constantly BSOD's my laptop.  I finally had to remove it, and I won't be installing it anytime soon again.

February 25, 2008 8:18 AM
 

Jeff said:

Don't worry everyone - Aubrey's just been spending too much time around Macs lately. He'll come back to reality one of these days :P

But seriously - I've had mostly good luck with SP1 'upgrades'. I've upgraded one of my home PCs to SP1 (my Media Center PC) and also my wife's Lenovo X61 tablet. Both went off without a hitch. However, I have had problems with Vista SP1 x64 on my boat anchor (er, Dell D830). But I'm going to blame that on the high-quality Dell drivers ;)

February 27, 2008 12:17 PM
 

tino said:

Maybe there is really a reason why SP1 is not released yet? Your problems could be some drivers issues.

February 27, 2008 7:12 PM
 

Justice said:

Windows Home Server’s Drive Extender technology causes data corruption with the following software applications,

Microsoft Windows Vista Photo Gallery

Microsoft Windows Live Photo Gallery

Microsoft Office OneNote 2007

Microsoft Office OneNote 2003

Microsoft Office Outlook 2007

Microsoft Money 2007

Microsoft Office Excel

Microsoft Windows Media Player 11

Microsoft Zune Software

Microsoft Virtual PC 2008

Microsoft Digital Image Library

Microsoft Project 2000

Microsoft SyncToy 2.0 Beta

   * Various Bittorrent applications

   * Intuit Quicken

   * QuickBooks

See KB 946676

www.support.microsoft.com/kb/946676

March 3, 2008 12:35 AM

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